Hulses Sowing More Discord Among the Brethren

 

My screen shot of the Hulses from one of their videos
My screen shot of the Hulses from one of their videos
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers” (Proverb 6:16-19, ESV).

 

The Latest Problem

 

Rocky and Helen Hulse of Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach (MMMO) are at it again. This time, they have me as their target.  It pains me that I feel compelled to report this. We used to be friends, and Rocky even called me several years ago to ask me if I wanted to run their ministry in Nauvoo, IL.

 

On April 20, 2013, they posted the following on Facebook. It is a picture of Jill Martin Rische and me together at the Capstone Conference in Salt Lake City, UT on April 13, 2013 with the following description (misspellings and grammar are unchanged in the following quotes):

 

 

Rob and Jill from the deleted MMMO Facebook page
Rob and Jill--my screen shot of the deleted MMMO Facebook page
Rocky was on stage prepared, as the guest speaker following Jill Martin Rische (Dr. Walter Martin's daughter) who was leaving the stage with computer and other items. The conference was timed so as not to delay any of the speakers or the conference. During the entire conference 'NO' person in the audience did such a thing, as rush the speakers on stage. Instead spoke with them at their tables out front and took pictures with speakers or others. However, a guy rudely interrupted the transition by rushing up onto the stage and began talking to Jill, as she was attempting to gather her things and get off the stage to make room for Rocky to get started. Rocky took a couple of steps away 2 or 3 times to stop this interruption and begin his presentation. However, this guy (whom Rocky did not recognize) would not leave the stage. Jill was doing her best to gather her things including her computer you can see in her arms to get of the stage for Rocky, but this guy pulled out his cell phone. Unbelievable he calls Rocky over to take a photo of him and Jill. It wasn't until the guy asks Jill to sign something for him that Rocky heard his name. Only then did Rocky realized who it was causing the delay at the conference.

 

If this was simply someone who didn't know better that would have been one thing; however, this is a person who 'DOES' know better than to interrupt speakers during any conference. He is known for this doing this sort of thing. - An Unconscionable Self Promoter who injects himself in photo opts - It was a shameful display of bad behavior to disrupt the conference when he could have simply waited for her to leave the stage and arrive at her table in the church foyer.

 

In today's world cell phones with camera's are everywhere and this was caught taking place.” 

 

In the comments section, they said, “Thank you for your like on this photo which clearly shows this person had no respect for the conference the speakers or those in the audience. As they say ‘A picture is worth a thousand words’.” They continued in another comment, “Yes, it was outrageous and would have been outrageous for anyone to interrupt an entire conference which was taking place. All of the people at the conference think highly of Walter Martin's daughter, including us. There were tables set up in the Church Foyer for meeting, greeting and taking photos with all the speakers and other ministries present. There was no reason whatsoever for him to have rushed upon stage, preventing the next speaker Rocky Hulse to begin his presentation. This guy was not in attendance at the Capstone Conference at Calvary Chapel. He was at his home with a group of people, he rushed in and rushed out the afternoon on the 13th for one reason only, to get his photo taken on the stage with Dr. Walter Martin's daughter whom this ministry has known for sometime.

 

What he did is clearly shown in this photo, the next ministry MMMO [Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach] information was already displayed on the three screens to begin and he held it up by his rude behavior. If he thought so highly of her why didn't he wait and spend sometime in the Church Foyer with her taking all the photos he wanted? This guy is known for his photo opts everywhere he goes and doing this clearly shows that to be true, yet again.

 

Then they posted, “Rocky, called and spoke with Rob, not 5 minutes ago. No one commenting here has knowledge of the entire situation. Rob, immediately agreed to what was requested by this ministry. This thread is closed all comments-Any and all further comments will be deleted. …You have no knowledge of what Rocky's short conversation was about; however, it did 'NOT' concern this photo.

 

Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

 

So What Really Happened?

 

I only went to the Capstone Conference to hear Jill, meet her, get her to sign my book (Through the Windows of Heaven), and get a quick photo with her. We have corresponded over email, but had never met. (I used to attend her late dad’s Sunday school class while in college, and was looking forward to interning under him at the Christian Research Institute for the fall semester of 1989. Unfortunately, Walter passed away earlier that summer.) I had no idea what the conference rules were. I was in a rush to get there and then out of there, since I had to get back and get ready for our Ex-Mormon Meetup that night. Jill and I were talking to each other, and then I turned and looked for someone I knew to take our picture (I’d rather have someone I know than a complete stranger take the picture). When I saw Rocky, I asked him if he would take the picture. As I went to give him the camera, some other guy came up to talk to Jill for quite a while (so it just wasn’t one guy who talked to Jill contrary to what the Hulses reported). Rocky and I just stood there in silence waiting for what seemed like forever until this other guy finished. As soon as he did, Rocky snapped the picture, and I was out of there.

 

Then on April 20th, a friend told me that the Hulses put my picture of Jill and me on Facebook with the Hulses’ comments and asked if I had seen it. I never responded to the thread, but became more troubled when I saw on the 22nd that they made mention of an unclarified phone call from Rocky to me. Rocky called on the evening of the 21st, and we talked for a total of 1 minute and 49 seconds. All he asked me to do was to take down a copyrighted photo of him and Helen on my blog. That blog has been up since August 29, 2011, and this has been the only response I’ve gotten from Rocky! The copyright was from someone else’s site that I made reference to. Rocky told me that it didn’t matter. I complied and asked him if I could do anything else for him. He said, "No, just take it down." I did, wished him God’s blessing, and then ended the call. The next day I obtained permission from SacredGrovesOnline.org to post another picture of them, which I did.

 

Then on April 23, 2013, Jill responded to the thread by saying, “Helen and Rocky, I hope I can comment here. This was my fault. I did not realize there was such a short break between presentations, and got distracted by someone (not Rob). I should have headed back to the tables. I apologize for any inconvenience this caused you in giving your presentation.” 

 

The Hulses responded, “Jill Martin Rische, we both know you as a dear friend. There is no need for you to apologize for anything. There were no people on the stage expect (Rob), we had several friends sitting in the room. Also there is much more to this situation than you or others are aware except for those involved in it. If anyone has contacted you and said otherwise, that truly saddest us. Rocky, did call (Rob) Sunday evening and spoke with him about this and the other legal violation.

 

Hopefully, there we will no further comments on this topic, nor this photo. If there is they will be deleted, as this topic is closed. God bless you our friend.” It's like the Hulses told her, "No Jill, you don't know what you're talking about. We'd rather believe our other friends who were there!"

 

Then on April 26, 2013, we noticed that almost all the comments on the Facebook thread were removed. The only comment that remained was from the Hulses, and it was edited to say, “Rocky, called and spoke with Rob, not 5 minutes ago. No one reading this has the knowledge of the entire situation. Rob, immediately agreed to what was requested by this ministry. It had nothing to do with this photo.

 

Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

NO COMMENTS ARE ALLOWED ON THIS PHOTO - ANY AND ALL WILL BE DELETED.

 

Then on April 28, 2013, we noticed that the whole post was deleted. If one wants verification of any comments on this post, we have screen shots.

 

Then on May 1, 2013, I received an email from SacredGrovesOnline.org asking that I take their picture of the Hulses down for the sake of peace. They said that Helen asked them not to share anything with the Hulses' image without their consent, since "they have secured legal rights over their likeness." I'm sure this is news for the paparazzi! So I complied with SacredGroveOnline.org and have posted my own screen shot of the Hulses shown above.

 

To date, the Hulses have offered no apology for all the trouble they caused.

 

What Should Have Happened

 

Ideally, if I had known Rocky was so pressed to get speaking, I would have just waited for Jill to come back to the foyer. He could have politely asked me, as well as the other guy, if he could get to his lecture and if we could have taken the picture out in the foyer. Rocky didn’t have to wait around, and he didn’t have to comply with my request to take the picture. Furthermore, if Rocky later became upset at the situation, he should have confronted me in private over this matter instead of making this a public matter (Mat. 18:15-19).

 

What Needs to Happen

 

Since I was publicly called out for offending the Hulses, I publicly state that I am sorry about this whole situation. I am sorry to find out publicly about this, and I am sorry to have unknowingly taken time from his lecture.

 

Having said that, the Hulses have a pattern of causing unnecessary division—not just with me, but with numerous Christian brothers and sisters who reach out to the Mormon community. What has happened to me is simply symptomatic of a much larger issue that has been going on for years now. Given this pattern, the following people have, after serious consideration, allowed me to state their names as individuals who have distanced themselves from the Hulses and also painfully feel that it has become necessary to go public: Aaron Shafovaloff of Mormonism Research Ministry, Russ Bales of MormonDoctrine.net, J. R. Merilatt and Josh Hess of Ephesians 2 Ministry, Princess Surjopolos of Living Word Enterprises, Suzanne Witt of Mormon & LDS Facts, Lori Vogt, Fred Anson—Founder and Editor of Beggar’s Bread, David and Sharon Taylor with Truth Seekers Outreach Ministries, Wendy Jensen of Mormon Deception and Art Haglund who were both former admins for the Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach Facebook page, Steve Dealy who runs the Nauvoo Christian Visitor's Center (that the Hulses used to run), and Richard and Lori Seedorf who ran the Nauvoo Christian Visitor's Center immediately after the Hulses. Others have wished to remain nameless, not wanting to incur further wrath from the Hulses, because they are simply perceived as bullies to many people. The Hulses have been confronted about this behavior numerous times. Some have spent considerable time attempting to mediate and reason with the Hulses, and it seems to go in one ear and out the other.

 

That being the case, my point is not to bring the Hulses to repentance. Of course all of us pray the Hulses repent, but we really don’t care about having a back and forth with them on this matter. This blog is not addressed to them. This is a time for telling the Church (e.g., Mat. 18:17), if for no other reason than to warn others. I know individuals who would not go near the Capstone Conference since the Hulses were going to be there. I also know of another who will not knowingly speak at any conference the Hulses are speaking at. I took my chances going to Capstone, since I wanted to meet Jill. But how many others need to be unnecessarily burned?

 

Christians worry about how this division is going to make us look in the eyes of unbelievers. Perhaps they may see us as unloving and just can’t get along with each other, and so why would unbelievers want to be a part of that? Then again, perhaps unbelievers will wonder why Christians won’t deal with evil within their own ranks. The Catholic priests’ sexual abuse scandal immediately comes to mind.

 

Regardless of how unbelievers perceive this situation, the Bible is quite clear about what to do with such individuals who sow discord among the brethren. "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Rom. 16:17). Titus 3:9-11 also tells us, “But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.”

 

R. M. Sivulka
President, Courageous Christians United

April 29, 2013

Updated May 2, 2013


Add Comment
Timothy Knowlton says...
"Hello Rob!

You have my 100% support and prayer, Brother! Keep up the great work for Our LORD!!" (4/29/13)
Lori Vogt says...
"If I can be of any assistance to those who need validation from being wounded, please contact me via Rob Sivulka and we will help you. Thank you Rob, as it takes COURAGE to take a stand against abuse. " (4/29/13)
Lowell Johnson says...
"Amen Rob. Thanks for writing this post. Continue serving our King!" (4/29/13)
Sandi Roberts says...
"Rob,
I completely agree with your post. I am one who avoided the Capstone Conference because of the Hulses. I am greatly saddened by the actions of the Hulses, and wish there was not such division within the Body. Thank you for your post. I stand behind you 100%." (4/29/13)
Princess Surjopolos says...
"Dear Brother Rob - I'm sorry to see that you were the latest target of this public mud-slinging and know how you feel. If they didn't address you privately FIRST (Matt. 18:15), then I agree with you 100% that this was not handled in a proper manner according to Scripture. God bless you for your courage in speaking the truth. I know you don’t take this lightly.

Like Lori shared, I have also been wounded repeatedly by the actions of the above-mentioned (and those they rallied against me). I tried everything in my power to walk in Biblical peace, love & reconciliation with this party - but to no avail. I had no choice but to turn my case over to the Lord and separate myself according to His instruction. Nevertheless, I bless them & pray for them. I also praise the Lord for all the pain and tribulation that came to me on account of them and I count it all joy.

However, my prayers go out for all the other victims who have been hurt, sidetracked, confused or deceived. My dear reconciled friend Wendy is one such person who escaped their manipulation and deception. My other friend Art is an example of someone they attempted to bully into silence when he spoke out against their abuses. Another dear ex-Mormon Christian friend was ripped to shreds on their "ministry" wall for no good reason. And there are countless others cases - too many to name.

Of course, there are those who are sick of this drama and too tired to deal with it. Then there are others, as you said Rob, who are AFRAID to speak up because of what they have seen or been through. But God has not given us a spirit of fear!!! I am extremely tired of this also, but I believe that supporting you and adding my voice to this matter is the right thing to do at this time.

God bless you for not sitting idly by, denying this or ignoring the problem. Thank you for caring enough about others to sound the alarm. Not one single child of God deserves to be treated like trash by so-called Christian ministry leaders and their followers. True Christian leadership build God’s people UP, not tear them down – irrespective of their tax status or racial / social / economic standing. The things I have experienced and seen are a total disgrace. To conduct such activities against others - in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ - is unconscionable and God is the judge.

As Lori said, if someone needs help, a group of caring individuals is here for you. The disturbing behavior of the above-mentioned does not reflect the love and grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. To all who are concerned: simply claiming to be a follower or servant of Christ is not enough. Please see Galatians 5:19-23. A tree is known by its fruit.

May God’s grace & peace be upon and within the true Israel of Christ.
" (4/29/13)
Desiree Hollis says...
"Hi Rob. I'm sorry to hear about this situation. I've also been a target of the Hulses but am not involved with any ministry currently that they could slander. Homeschooling my three daughters is my mission at this time. I guess that's the part that bothers me the most. They are hurting their own ministry with these actions and hurting other ministries by casting aspersions. Ministry to Mormons is SO needed, as we all well know and these actions of the Hulses are not helping the cause, nor serving Christ. I pray that God will cause them to see the errors in their actions and they will seek forgiveness. God bless you in your continued efforts to reach Mormons. Your sister in Christ, Desiree" (4/29/13)
Suzanne Witt says...
"Slandering anyone, especially other Christians is NOT OK!
I am heart sick about this ongoing behavior, from people who claim to love Jesus and be part of the body of Christ. I really hate drama! and I have tried to separate myself from all of this since it started a few years back, but because these people refuse to stop their childish and destructive behavior, I believe that bringing it to the church and exposing it now, is what needs to be done. I stand with you Rob and my other brothers and sisters in-Christ who have been hurt by all of this.
Hoping and praying now for repentance, reconciliation and peace in Jesus' name..." (4/29/13)
Dave Mitchell says...
"Please add "Dave and Claudia Mitchell of Next Step Outreach" as distancing themselves and their ministry from the Hulses." (4/29/13)
Wendy Jensen says...
"Rob,

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing this all into the light.
I for one have been slandered, attacked and been victim to the Hulses tatics
Links to my ministry and profile have been placed on their ministry wall trying to shame me and accuse me of attacking their ministry, in which I can not stomach even looking at.
I at one time tried to be friends and help with their ministry, but as time went on God convicted me to walk away and try to make a mends with her so called "enemies" and at the same time he convicted me to keep on walking towards a higher path. I have tried to turn the other cheek to the attacks on myself, only to see others put under the swinging hammer and it pains me greatly.
I for one will have nothing to do with their ministry nor them.

Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

Romans 16:18
For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.



Your sister in Christ,
Wendy Jensen" (4/29/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"Rob and All,

This is more drama the is driven by Helen, because IF this was a bother to Rocky, WHY did he AGREE to take the picture?

Rocky is an ungodly and cowardly man for NOT dealing with things in person, and for not controlling his busybody, trouble making, lying mouthed, vulgar and deceitful wife.
All their boasting of his 33 yrs of military service has taught neither of them of authority.
They constantly promote themselves in the most fleshly of ways and show pure hate towards anyone who will lead Mormons to the Lord and their not gaining some sort of credit for it
As Jesus said, they love to make a show for the adoration of men. Well they have their reward. I would be happy if they both shut their mouths about Christians and taught the Bible, but their interest only has a thin veneer of this with a deep well of self beneath." (4/29/13)
Ron Flinders says...
"Wow, sorry to hear about the problem you had with the a Hulses. This however should come as no surprise. I guess we have all shared the joy if you want to call it that. The best way to handle any situation involving the Hulses is called a BLOCK. Praying for you Rob." (4/29/13)
Artie Garner says...
"Wow...just wow! Even though I don't know Helen, personally, I do have her as a fb friend. I saw when she posted that picture and the comments she made. I was thinking...What?? That's a picture of Rob. Why all the reason for such animosity?
Now I am seeing the bigger picture. I don't like to unfriend people, as we are all sinners...but this was clearly nothing more than childish behavior.
It is truly saddening, and disturbing! My sole desire is to see my LDS loved ones come to a saving faith in Christ. I follow many of these outreach ministries to, perhaps, help me be a more effective witness.
When we take our eyes off of Jesus and focus on things of this world...that's when trouble meets misery!
Rob...I am so sorry that this kind of behavior has been displayed toward you. You are truly a servant of our Lord and King!
Even though I think I might need to block, or delete Helen...I will certainly be praying for her as well." (4/29/13)
J.R. Merilatt says...
"Her actions have been going on far to long. I'm sure the list of people she has attempted to run through the mud can go on for quite some time. The question would be for what purpose? It has been made clear by her actions that the only person she is concerned with is herself, and she can care less who she attempts to take down in he process. As we can see her attempts to demean and belittle everyone is only backfiring in her face. She is reaping her harvest and I pray she repents if she wants to salvage what little reputation she has left." (4/29/13)
Russ Bales says...
"Serious consideration went into this article before posting. It is unfortunate that such steps become necessary in the body. When continued pleas are ignored then it's biblical and appropriate to warn others.
" (4/30/13)
Steve Dealy says...
"Thank you Rob for speaking out. I have been on the receiving end of their attacks for about seven years. No matter how much I would try to partner with them here in the Nauvoo area I was always treated as competition and an enemy. The ungodly drama that follows in the wake of the Hulses is truly shocking and sad. 'Before his downfall a man's heart is proud..." (Ps. 18:12) I do pray that they repent for slandering so many within the Body of Christ. " (4/30/13)
Joey Ferguson (Tibbits) says...
"Dear Rob. I suppose I should not be surprised but I am shocked that this kind of behaviour continues to come from MMMO. I have to say in all honesty, I wonder who they really serve. Do their words glorify God or themselves??
Their comments seem to me to only be about them and their anger at being held up when Rocky got up to speak.
I pray that they will stop this ugly stirring up and poking at good and honest Christians who only want to share the Gospel of Jesus. I am happy with the verses of scripture, the Living Word of our God, that you have used.
God be with you and all of us as we pray for those at MMMO
Thank you" (4/30/13)
Princess Surjopolos says...
"Rob wrote: "Then on May 1, 2013, I received an email from SacredGrovesOnline.org asking that I take their picture of the Hulses down for the sake of peace. They said that Helen asked them not to share anything with the Hulses' image without their consent, since "they have secured legal rights over their likeness." I'm sure this is news for the paparazzi! So I complied with SacredGroveOnline.org and have posted my own screen shot of the Hulses shown above."

It's nothing but pure HYPOCRISY to make a stink about someone using their photograph or name somewhere and yet have absolutely no conscience about doing the same exact thing (and worse) to other people! They actually behave like they are more important or have more rights than anyone else. They're not and they don't. God is no respecter of persons and neither is the law.

I and my friends have also been victimized by these people (and their followers) due to the misuse of our names, photos, copyrighted content, links to our pages and so forth. We have not experienced such crude behavior and privacy violations even from unbelievers. What a disgrace and a shame. Clearly they care more about appearances than about doing the right thing and bringing proper closure to this situation. Did they ever once apologize for using YOUR IMAGE without your permission???

Rob, if they didn't want you using their image on your blog then they should have never posted your likeness and that slander on their page in the first place. If they had conducted themselves as real Believers and handled their issue properly, you wouldn't have had to make the painful decision to confront and expose them for the problems they cause within the Body of Christ.

God's grace be with you.

"REJECT A DIVISIVE MAN (or woman) after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned." (Titus 3:10-11)" (5/1/13)
Russ Bales says...
"Well said, Princess" (5/1/13)
J.R. Merilatt says...
"Yes her idea of "Copywrite" is hilarious at best. Funny how the same person who likes to claim their very name is such will post pictures of others along with links to their profile pages in order to give them negative attention. This is the same person who will state that others have multiple facebook profiles while she herself is guilty of that very thing. Profiles of which would shock most people who claim to be her friends. She uses her friends to gain information on them and the second she feels they are not doing her beckon call she uses what information she has gained and either adds to it or straight out lies in order to discredit them. Why doesn't everyone look at the following blog as a perfect example of this fine "Christian" doing her handywork.

http://ephesians2ministry.blogspot.com/2011/05/oh-childs-play.html

So if she wants to play a legal game. Thats fine. I'll have federal charges brought up on her for the death threat. " (5/1/13)
Sharon Taylor says...
"I couldn't agree more with all of you! I am appalled by Helen's behavior - I had no idea she was being so hateful. I have had a few run in's with her but nothing like I have seen lately. It is so sad because MMMO has the potential to help so many and choose instead to tear down brothers and sisters in Christ.

We as the body of Christ should never stand with Satan accusing our brethren before the Lord and that is what is being done by the Hulse's. I am praying they will be convicted by the Holy Spirit and repent.

Sharon Taylor
Truth Seekers Outreach Ministries" (5/2/13)
James says...
"Rob. Itts not surprising to see such drama. You and your friends in the anti-Mormon community are lovers of contention. It's what you do daily toward LDS. Live by the sword die by the sword." (5/3/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"James, thanks for making a contentious point! I suppose LDS are simply perfect, and thus, none of them would ever act like the Hulses and need any correcting or warning others of their actions! Then again, your own hypocrisy here really requires me to point it out." (5/3/13)
Princess Surjopolos says...
"Hello there James, that's not true. You have contention confused with "contending" for the faith that was once delivered for all (Jude 3-4). We hate contention and hate that we have to address these sad issues within the Christian community. But The Lord warned ahead of time that there would be wolves in sheeps clothing and that the weeds would be allowed to grow up with the wheat until the day of harvest.

Even though I have been deeply wounded by the Hulses I bless them and I am praying for them. Now that I've met you, I bless you and will be praying for you.

I don't think it's very Christlike to wish that anyone die by the sword, but if that be the will of God for the glory of Christ - so be it. It would be an honor. God bless you." (5/3/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"James, please remember that the whole of mormonism is an open and constant attack against Christianity, since story telling Joey claimed that God told him that ALL religions were an abomination and he was to join none (obedient jor, afterwards DID join one, good obedient Joe!)

That being said, I ask you, If a rapist is attacking your wife, are you anti-rapist to stop him or are you pro-wife?
Christians are not, nor can they be anti-Mormon, because we are one thing and one thing only, pro-God.

Mormonism is the rapist, in this example, and the wife is the group of people that mormons attempt to take, with lies and heresy.

That being said, I was surprised and then again not so much to read what Helen wrote (the screen shots available on Ephesians 2 page)
Helen Hulse shows that her picture of herself is one that is somehow owed servitude and praise by the rest of cristendom, and that her blessing is requisite to any person attempting to bring truth to the LDS that their religion is built upon lies.
Her vulgar, curse-laden rants and vomiting forth that she want heads on platters is SO over the top that she has dismissed herself as anyone worthy of note, association fellowship.

I HAVE prayed for them. I will pray for them, no more. Her attitude has, for more than two years, shown to be the attitude of antichrist and I am not commanded to pray for any antichrist!" (5/3/13)
Joey says...
"Hello again to everyone. I wanted to say that I checked out John Merrilat's blog that further exposes lies and deceitful behaviour that shocks me. That Porter Rockwell profile was Helen all along and she wrecked a lot of havoc using that fake page. Some of her followers have fake profiles too. Like Alice Sharbek, that is also a fake profile one of the admins on MMMO use.
We are the body of Christ and are to work in harmony and should not have to worry about junk like this going on.
The scriptures tell us that if our eye offends, to pluck it out or if our hand offends, to cut it off as it is better to enter Heaven maimed than to enter hell with the offending body part.
This makes me think that this can relate to the body of Christ as well. Cut off the offending part and throw it on the fire.
I hope I am expressing clearly what I am trying to say.
I need Art Haugland, LOL, He sure knows how to speak what he has on his mind.
God bless us and keep us together in safety while we continue to pray for the Hulses and those that follow along blindly ." (5/3/13)
Russ Bales says...
"For those interested, other comments from the now-removed Facebook post by MMMO is available at the following link.

It is presented here to show that biblical precedent was followed by going to the offending party first. It is biblical to warn others if the offending party refuses to listen.

http://www.mormondoctrine.net/wp-content/uploads/Midwest.jpg" (5/4/13)
Princess Surjopolos says...
"Brother Russ, I just wanted to say that your leadership in this matter is admirable. Not only is this an unpleasant situation, addressing this over the internet poses special challenges. Thank you for taking the time & effort to contribute to this in a Biblical manner. The Lord reward your diligence & faithfulness. " (5/5/13)
Joey says...
"Dear Brothers and Sisters. I went to the link Russ Bales provided

http://www.mormondoctrine.net/wp-content/uploads/Midwest.jpg
and if you have not read what the Hulses deleted, I suggest you do. Good job Russ and to Rob also. May I also make another comment on what I noticed. The young woman in question, did not look upset, or harrassed or anything but happy to pose for the photo.
Indeed, this was a mountain out of a mole hill but I have come to understand that Helen is one of those people who are only happy when they are making other people unhappy. There are admins on her MMMO page who are the same way and I believe that they feed off each other. I find it an unholy alliance and I pray that this is stopped before more Christians are harmed or those who may be saved will be turned off by the pettiness I have seen over the years on MMMO.
Thanks for letting me get another post in. God bless you my dear Brothers and Sisters as we stand together in unity against evil. " (5/5/13)
J.R. Merilatt says...
"Section 107 of the Copyright Act states:

the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

A picture taken from a persons camera is their property. However when said picture is placed on a public forum such as facebook, YouTube and such you allow people to comment or criticize. It is a fine line for which many people have spent countless dollars and hours fighting for which has gotten them nowhere. Helen realizes she has been caught with her hand in the cookie jar and is grasping at straws. If she truly wanted people to leave her alone I would suggest she quit attempting to point fingers. After all Porter Rockwell may just have to go after her for using his likeness. " (5/9/13)
Einstein says...
"Hey Helen... You know that whole "fair use" thing. It allows for criticism. If this blog isn't criticism then just wait. There is more to come." (5/9/13)
Arthur Adam Haglund says...
"Well, yesterday, 5/15/13 was the 2nd anniversary of sorts for Helen and Larry (you might know him as Rocky) Hulse. It is on that date, in 2011 that the US Government ripped their 501c3 status from them for failing to correctly follow the 501c3 rules. Not once, not twice, but for three consecutive years. Since that date, their status has been revoked.

Did that Stop either or both of them from following OTHER rules, telling people that their donations are no longer tax deductible?
No, instead of following further IRS mandates of PROMANENTLY displaying that any donation to them was NOT 501c3 deductible, then went on the offensive, attacking others for NOT having said status, proclaiming that it was even PART OF WINNING SOULS!
They called those without 501c3, thieves and sacmmers and liars and even suggested in the strongest of terms that such people were not even Christians, Children of God!

Well, another illusion has been dispelled, another image painted on the tissue walls of the House of Hulse has been rent from top to bottom.

Will This humble the venom filled mouth of Helen?
Will this motivate Larry to take Godly authority over his evil spewing wife and muzzle her?

We can only pray that it will.
I for one and actively seeking out any and all places on the internet where they are mentioned and or praised and exposing them and I will not stop until they repent, FULLY or fall is flames!" (5/16/13)
Ricky Szewczyk says...
"I, too, have been in conflict with Helen Hulse and her minions. Even though I visited them when they ran the Visitor's Center in Nauvoo and thought we were friends. I have decided to avoid these folks a;; together in compliance with: 1Co 5:10 "Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." " (6/10/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Got the following emails on August 20, 2013: "I left the Mormon church a few years ago but due to actions of the Hulses I was driven back to the Lds Church for safety. again I have gone inactive from the Church and thinking of leaving altogether

...Helen told me a long time ago not to get involved with other ministries and not to trust some of the Salt Lake ministries. All tho I have kept clear of ministries over the past two year, Helen still from time to time sends me messages telling me to be careful and not to trust anyone. I realised a long time ago that the only person I could trust was myself so pulled away from MMMO and then started to be attacked by both Rocky and Helen with the help of a number of others.

When I visit my ...home usually twice a year, Helen once asked me if I could attend any meet up groups and let her know what was done. I never attended any groups.

I felt that I was being used so ran back to the church for safety and that's when the full scale attack on me started by Helen. it resulted me in reporting MMMO to Facebook and involving my legal team whom contacted the local sheriffs department in Helen's home town...

Helen removed all comments from her Facebook page and her MMMO page after Facebook blocked her pages for a number of times.

I hope this gives a little insight."" (9/27/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Just got the following from the Hulses:

"Rob,

Using your blog as a weapon against anyone regardless of your reasons is anything, but Christian. However, with the comment dated 9/17/13 posted by you of an email you received, we will be filing charges of slander against you and your ministry unless this entire blog post "Hulses Sowing More Discord Among the Brethen" is removed.

We called your home in July before our move in an attempt to speak with you; however were only able to leave a message asking you to please return our call. It is now 10/2/13 and you've never returned our call. Instead you have continued your outrageous attack upon us on Facebook.

1). The current photo you are using was pulled off our TV show 'Truth Outreach' (we own all the rights, it is copyrighted and on our website Mormon Outreach). This is the 3rd photo of us you have used without our permission, the first was from the website www.1857massacre.com owned by our good friend Frank Kirkman. You do not have our permission to use the photo which you pulled off our YouTube Channel for our ministry. (You are using the photo on another article you wrote in 2011 about Moroni 8:18) Remove it from that article now!

2). Now concerning the email. You've placed something up by a known unstable man who lives in England. He is well known by Joel Groat of IRR.org and is fully aware of what occurred on the MIT board of said ministry along with several mentors you are friends with on Facebook, including Doris Hanson of Polygamy: What Love Is This?

He duped us and our ministry with his problems by asking for our help and gained our trust. He did the same thing to IRR on their MIT forum board until he was caught by them and disappeared. I personally spoke with Joel Groat and every woman involved in the mess we were caught up in with Peter. We have each woman's name (there are several) as stated you are friends with all of them on Facebook, thus there is no excuse for you not knowing about Peter or any excuse for at least one of them not to speak up about who wrote this email and why.

He is using the name Pete Macko at the moment. You made friends with him on Facebook right after receiving and posting his email. He is also known as Peter Anderson-Makison he has and he uses several profiles.
"Rob Sivulka says...

"Got the following emails on August 20, 2013: "I left the Mormon church a few years ago but due to actions of the Hulses I was driven back to the Lds Church for safety. again I have gone inactive from the Church and thinking of leaving altogether

...Helen told me a long time ago not to get involved with other ministries and not to trust some of the Salt Lake ministries. All tho I have kept clear of ministries over the past two year, Helen still from time to time sends me messages telling me to be careful and not to trust anyone. I realised a long time ago that the only person I could trust was myself so pulled away from MMMO and then started to be attacked by both Rocky and Helen with the help of a number of others.

When I visit my ...home usually twice a year, Helen once asked me if I could attend any meet up groups and let her know what was done. I never attended any groups.

I felt that I was being used so ran back to the church for safety and that's when the full scale attack on me started by Helen. it resulted me in reporting MMMO to Facebook and involving my legal team whom contacted the local sheriffs department in Helen's home town...

Helen removed all comments from her Facebook page and her MMMO page after Facebook blocked her pages for a number of times.

I hope this gives a little insight."" (9/27/13)"

This is a warning Rob to you and each of your board members. Take down this article, now or you will be hearing from our attorney.


Sincerely,


Rocky and Helen Hulse

__________
Website: www.MormonOutreach.org
Blog: Mormon Home Evening http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/
=" (10/2/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"And here's the rest of it:

"====================================================================
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"He that hath truth on his side is a fool as well as a coward if he is afraid to own it because of other men's opinions."
Defoe


This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system. The unauthorized use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden."" (10/2/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"STRICTLY FORBIDDEN!
LOL
This amount of bluster, again!

IF Helen HAD an attorney, this lawyer would have told her she cannot press charges for slander. that is a civil matter, dealt with in civil court.
Pressing charges is for criminal issues.

now, NO person can send you something and that thing all of a sudden puts a legal constraint upon the recipient.
So, even IF you get a errant email that has top secret documents attached, you are NOT required to keep them secret. Their error broke confidence.
If a person sends you something like Helen did here, she cannot unilaterally compel compliance, not in the legal manner of compulsion." (10/16/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Here's another from the Hulses:

Rob,

You were sent a private email addressed to you only yesterday, in an attempt to put an end to whatever is going on and work it out between us.

However, you Rob chose take our private email was between us only and sent it to Arthur Adam Haglund and Peter Anderson-Makinson aka Pete Macko. And then post it on your website blog which clearly shows a hatred and vendetta against this ministry www.MormonOutreach.org and us personally which knows no bounds.

May God forgive you and the others involved in this web of lies which you have now involved yourself and your ministry.

All you needed do was pick up the phone and call Doris Hanson or Joel Goat and this would have ended or for that matter returned our phone call in July 2013.

Below are the names of the women Mentors working at IRR.org and were dealing personally with Peter Anderson-Makinson


Gloria Maria Vazquez aka Gloria Vazquez
She was married living in MO at the time, is now divorced living in Seattle, WA

Jennifer Fleischer Johnson

Katrina Marti - New Tribes Mission

Sharon Terry Taylor aka Sharon Taylor - Truth Seekers Outreach Ministries

Jenn Alvey Mom of Autistic son at Autism Advocate

Anita Holden Moak

Doris Hanson - What Love is This?

Rob Bowen and Joel B Groat - IRR Grand Rapids, Michigan (they had no personal contact with Peter but knew about him).


Wendy Jensen aka Wendy Jensen ask Karis Lee aka Breezy Smith (Wendy has numerous fake profiles)
Don Ritchey - Mormonism Vs Christianity
The above two people Wendy and Don are the ones who brought Arthur Adam Haglund to our ministry under false pretenses and he was an Admin for less than 4 hours because of personal problems.

It is shocking that you as one who claims to be a Christian and one who minsters the gospel to others would continue to behave in the manner you have thus far; however to now taken parts of this private email and posted it on your Facebook page and on the Facebook page of Arthur Adam Haglund is shameful. All of you actions do clearly show your hearts.

Rob, there is a legal statement at the bottom of this email and the other one which was written by our attorney, perhaps you need to have your attorney read it.


Sincerely,

Rocky and Helen Hulse


______________________________________________________
Website: www.MormonOutreach.org
Blog: Mormon Home Evening http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/
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Defoe


This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system. The unauthorized use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden." (10/3/13)
Peter says...
"I am totally amazed that Helen Hulse can even use the words PRIVATE EMAIL. She is the first to use a PRIVATE EMAIL against someone. Again, what I may or may not have done in the past is not the subject, all Helen is doing at the moment is trying to direct all the attention which is one her and her NOT for Profit group away and in another direction while she stirs her pot and works out what to do next. Throw what you want at my Helen, I am a lot stronger now than I was a few years ago. Same goes for Rocky aka Larry." (10/3/13)
Peter says...
"Helen, I also have a legal statement on my emails but that never stopped you did it. Pot, Kettle, Black?" (10/3/13)
Einstein says...
"Seems she's doing everything she can think of to scare you into taking down your blog. If I were you I'd sit back and make her back up her threats. Because for her to do so she'll have to do so from Utah. I'd leave well enough alone and move on. " (10/16/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Got this from someone who wants to remain nameless:

Peter came onto the MIT talk boards and had some somewhat (but not quite) outrageous claims. . . after awhile, it started becoming obvious that he wasn't telling the total truth. I did talk to Helen about him on the phone. At that point he was duping them and had invited himself into their lives (speaking for hours on the phone with Helen and had an invite to their house.). I shared my concerns with Helen and I would with you too--don't believe everything he says--I don't know what the truth is about him, but I do know that what he says can't be trusted." (10/3/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"It's a lot better to work through all this in an open way rather than getting me banned from Facebook for what's called abusive language and slander." (10/3/13)
Wendy says...
"Oh Helen, Cas Hailey, Jill Gotti, Porter Rockwell and numerous other fake profiles, BTW Karis Lee was never me.
Must be one of yours you forgot you had. BTW I know of one of the well known persons in ministry who had an alias when she was out on MIT, I have yet to see you call her out by her alias, gee I wonder why? I could do that, but I have more respect for HER then that.
I TRIED to track down your so called attacker Peter, with no avail. I only pray I can meet him in person to follow up and make sure he is a real person and not someone who I have been told lies about from you. This is my goal in life now, to reach out and make sure who you were claiming who was attacking you are actually real people, you know, like Robbie. I went way out of my way to meet up with him and sit down and have broken bread over several meals with him to find out what he was all about. I am thankful I did, he is a wonderful, awesome person who was actually reaching out and searching. PRAISE THE LORD!
I pray for you and your husband all the time, I also pray that you receive the medical help you need.
There is a reason I did not answer my phone to you when you "accidently" so called my number back in April, I want NOTHING to do with you WHAT SO EVER!

Peter if you read this, please know I am very interested in sitting down with you and getting to know who you really are and look forward to it. The only thing I know is what I have been told.
What shocks me is how this person can attack and slander and put pictures of me and others and links to our ministries and personal profiles on her wall and call us out by names and think it is ok, when she is mentioned, she has a fit? How does that work? Oh yeah, HYPOCRITE I believe is how it is explained.
Shaking the dust from my feet.



Praise God to our King for the gift of seeing through lies that I have been told!

Like I said, Peter if you are reading this, please I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to meet up with you personally and talk.



" (10/3/13)
Peter says...
"I see I am the interesting person at the moment. Yes, I admit I did some wrong in the past and seeked forgiveness. Thinking that some were "Christian", forgiveness was not forth coming. I have already said I have grown stronger, I have a Faith in Christ, I try my best and no one can take that away from me. whatever anyone says here or shares, please remember I have already said I did wrong, how many can say that. Helen can't say it. She already thinks she is the female Jesus Christ. Yes, I travel between my home in England and Salt Lake City, If anyone wants to meet me face to face for a coffee and chat then I am flying to North Carolina on the 4th December for a friends wedding the Salt Lake City an the 11th December for 5 weeks for Christmas. The invite is open, I will be in South Jordon." (10/3/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Rob,

It's apparent you aren't taking any of this seriously. All you seem to care about is drawing attention for yourself.

Sadly, it's not the attention which shines a good light on you nor on your ministry and the people you've involved yourself with and decided to listen to without all the information or speaking with us personally about any of it is appalling.

Do you or anyone else believe all of this isn't being posting and read by members of the LDS Church, Christians, non-believers or those who might have come to your site seeking information only to be greeted by reading what you have posted against another Christian ministry?

As stated in the 1st email and then again in the 2nd email, these were private emails to you alone and so is this one.

What has now been posted on your website blog by you, shows your reckless disregard for anyone, except Rob Sivulka.

Those responding to your article and responding to our private emails to you alone except for one "Anonymous" comment prove why the emails were sent to you, it was to put a stop to this entire matter. All it would have taken is one phone call, conference call or email between us. There is ample proof what you have been fed is not truth.

Sincerely,

Rocky and Helen Hulse

______________________________________________________
Website: www.MormonOutreach.org
Blog: Mormon Home Evening http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/
====================================================================
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Defoe


This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system. The unauthorized use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden." (10/3/13)
Wendy says...
"Peter, I am very willing and excited to meet up with you in December when you are here. We live very close to each other.

" (10/3/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Rob,

Read the legal warning from our attorney at bottom of every email send from our ministry. In case you are missing this part of the statement, please read it again:

"...The unauthorized use, distribution, copying..."

Rob, by you posting 3 emails from us on your website/blog you are in fact breaking the law in front of the everyone.

However, more importantly do you or any of the foul mouthed friends of yours commenting, believe you or they are pleasing God and showing forth a Christian witness to others?

Sincerely,

Rocky and Helen Hulse
______________________________________________________
Website: www.MormonOutreach.org
Blog: Mormon Home Evening http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/
====================================================================
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Defoe


This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system. The unauthorized use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden." (10/3/13)
Einstein says...
"Food for thought...

First, a bit of history: Where do these disclaimers come from? For my younger readers, let me begin by explaining that there once was a communications technology used in the age of steam and horseless carriages. It was called a fax and was used to send a copy of a document over a telephone line from one fax machine to another. You may never have seen one, but they were really useful in their day. These fax machines could store telephone numbers to make it easier to send a fax without having to manually enter a number. This led, of course, to faxes being inadvertently sent to the wrong person when the wrong stored number was mistakenly used. Moreover, faxes were often sent to people at hotels, where the fax would be received by a business center and delivered to a hotel room. This led to concerns that the information in the fax might be misdelivered or read by persons for whom it was not intended.

Enter the cover sheet. The cover sheet was added to a fax indicating to whom it was addressed and containing a frightening directive setting forth just what awful things would happen if the person reading the cover sheet was not the intended recipient. Indeed, several state bar associations considered the issue of a misdirected fax, some holding that a lawyer receiving such a fax had a duty to return it or destroy it unread, while others came up with different approaches. With a fax, the disclaimer appeared on the very first page where it would be immediately seen.

Enter the world of the e-mail. Same issue of the ease of misdelivery, and lawyers, being conservative by nature, sought to apply the same solution. However, rather than putting the disclaimer at the beginning of an e-mail, by virtue of reasoning I cannot understand, by nearly universal practice the disclaimer is placed at the end of the e-mail. Thus, the unintended recipient would read the entire e-mail, only to discover the frightening language informing him or her that they had done wrong.

Let me be blunt: An e-mail disclaimer for the most part is an attempt to close the barn door after the horse has bolted. Its legal effectiveness, for the most part, is dubious. More often than not, when read literally, such declaimers are laughable. They drone on interminably in language most opaque and incomprehensible, and they seek to disclaim all responsibility for the content, to frighten by threatening dire legal consequences, and sometimes to prevent retransmission of the e-mail message. Below is a typical disclaimer:

This message is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, Title 18, U.S. Code §2510-2521. This e-mail message and any attached files are the exclusive property of the Law Office of Dibble, Dabble and Doot and are subject to copyright. This communication is deemed privileged and confidential and is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

First, the cited statute doesn’t cover the problem of misaddressed e-mails. The attached files may or may not be property of the law office. Because this disclaimer is added to every e-mail, it might be referring to a document prepared by someone else.

This communication is deemed privileged? By whom? Why? Under what authority? Deeming it doesn’t make it so. It’s intended only for the person to whom addressed? How does this deal with a misaddressed e-mail?

For a nice list of stupid disclaimers, see
http://dltj.org/article/pointless-e-mail-disclaimers

and also
www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers

If their effectiveness is the question, why do we use disclaimers? One reason is concern over loss of attorney-client privilege. Putting an e-mail disclaimer at the end of every message that says “this e-mail message may contain privileged or confid" (10/3/13)
Einstein says...
"

The part that was cut off...

confidential information. No privilege is waived by the sending of this message” is a questionable way of dealing with this concern. Putting a disclaimer on all of your e-mails is not a substitute for taking appropriate care. And remember who has the sole right to waive attorney-client privilege." (10/3/13)
Peter says...
"I'd like to thank Helen and Larry aka Rocky for letting slip about my Facebook account. This proved to me that I was being spied upon. So earlier this evening after speaking with family and friends on Facebook and after telling them what was happening it was agreed that I would close my account. Helen, Larry - "You Lose". Now how are you going to spy on me now?" (10/3/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"I should also like to add that the Hulses continually remove posts when people prove their lies are just that, lies. They routinely remove blog posts and their own comments (good thing I have learned to screen shot and save them) in a vain attempt to make it seem that I (possibly others as well) just continually rant and rage against them. They also remove things or refuse to post comments that DO prove them wrong.

Like this blog's original theme, Jill posted on the MMMO FB page that the picture that the Hulses paint is NOT the truth.
They removed her comment and finally the entire post.
They had the gall to tell the woman who was there, Walter Martin's daughter, that she did not know ALL the behind the scenes, goings on.

Um, NO!
She was there for it all, and told the bare truth, which supports Rob's version and opposes them. This leaves Helen in quite a quandry. Does she do her normal attack anyone that disagrees with Helen tactic?
Better not, Jill is more well known, in more places and with more wide ranging audience. Better conserve her friendship and just remove the comment, heck the whole post.
Better that than fall on her bad side, since she might be a coat tail to ride upon.

Better to go off facebook and be on their own blog where they can manipulate truth to their heart's content.

Now, Hulses, POST scanned true copies of the revocation and new eligibility papers for your highly proclaimed 501(c)3 status, instead of just calling people liars.

I got and corrected the record

14 months from 5 11 until 7 12 you were revoked, ineligible and during that 14 month period, you lied to the public, broke federal laws in continuously proclaiming and claiming that you were 501(c)3 when you were not!

The bible tells us that we are to be honest. Neither of the Hulses have been. He have corrected our information and it stands." (10/16/13)
Einstein says...
"I see Helen posted a blog about Peter. Did she get permission to use pictures of him? After all his image is "Copyrighted"...ROFL" (10/4/13)
Peter says...
"I am not at all bothered if Mrs Helen Anne Hulse has posted a Blog concerning me, I have no interest in seeing it or knowing what she has posted. I have already stated that she will direct her Attacks towards me. This gives Rob and everyone else a rest from her Attacks. Again this shows that she does not have One Christian Bone in her body. Everything that has happened to her she created, the death threats in Nauvoo she created she turned good hearted people against her. " (10/16/13)
Peter says...
"She contacts Rob about a picture he used from the Capstone Conference claims he had no right to use or post it, says that it is theft. What has she gone and done, stolen my Facebook profile picture before I closed the account and used it on a Blog. I have not disappeared, I have just closed my Facebook account down to stop her from STALKING me. I am concerned the woman may be dangerous to my safety, so I have contacted Merseyside Police this evening after my cousin read the blog and called me. She is really going after me now with her Blog and using pictures without permission. I am not going to play her game. You Lose Helen, it takes two to play this game and your playing alone so only One Winner and it is not you. " (10/16/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Hulses blog on Peter: http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-blast-from-past-call-from-england.html" (10/4/13)
Peter says...
"First, I have not spoken to Helen Hulse in over a year and I don't wish to speak with her or Larry. Second, her Blog or should be called BOG means nothing at all. Again I said in a past comment a few days ago that she would start attacking me and direct her attention towards me, Well here we are Sherlock she did it. I'm sure there may be one or two people who are enjoying what is going on. I am sure that Helen and Larry have someone reporting back to them, she always had spys" (10/5/13)
Peter says...
"After speaking to Merseyside Police I have taken there advice, I have closed both Facebook accounts, changed my personal email address, changed my cell phone and home telephone number. They have also read Mormon Outreach Blog and also feel that I have a STALKER. There is little we can do from this end of the world but when I arrive back in the States in December I shall make a visit to the local Sherriff Department and make a formal complaint. I will not be publishing my new email address or contact details for safety, this email I am using now will still be active till I have made sure my family members have been informed then this email address will be de-activated, I'm sure The Mormon Outreach Woman will claim I am disappearing. Advice would be of some help?" (10/16/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Rob,

We decided to call you in July 2013 and since Rocky works long hours daily, it was best that Helen be the one to call your home and arrange a time we might all be able to speak together. There was no answer when I called and thus I left you a voice message along with our phone number asking you to please return the call. Sadly, you never returned that phone call.

I immediately called Aaron Shafavaloff the same day and did speak with him. I explained to him I had attempted to reach you first, but got no answer and left a voice message for you to call please call us. We then spoke about the reason for my call. At first Aaron stated he wasn't involved until I reminded him he is in fact a member of your board and in the first article you wrote against Rocky and our ministry in 2011, where you used Aaron's name in the article "Since Shafovaloff asked for some defense, I am writing this response to Hulse." (May 29, 2011)".

I also reminded Aaron, as a member of the board of CCU he can also be held responsible for what is currently being posted on CCU's blog maligning and slandering our ministry and our names. I also ask him to call you, and Bill McKeever about our conversation. I explained to Aaron it was important that all of us speak, as soon as possible since we were going to California and upon our return we would be moving. Rocky and I felt it was important we all spoke in order to see if it were possible to sled light on everything and get to the facts instead of not speaking with us directly, but only hearing one side.

Aaron, stated he felt it would be a good idea for us to send you an email. I agreed I would, but said I wasn't sure if that were possible until after our return from California and we had moved, thus the reason for the phone calls.

We are studded at your unChristian behavior posting our 1st email from us to you privately, up on your CCU blog instead of answering it.

What on earth was the purpose other than to stir up more hatred from the same group of people, rather than speak with a Christian brother and sister?

The disclaimer is legal and clear that our emails were for you only unless address to others. This portion shows you have total disregard for the legal system and your behavior certainly displays your unChristian attitude. "... you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this email is strictly prohibited..."

As of today, if you chose to post this email you will have illegally posted 4 private emails from us to you on your CCU blog for the sole purpose of getting attention, thus bring shame upon yourself and your ministry before man and God.

Sincerely,

Rocky and Helen Hulse
MMMO
www.MormonOutreach.org
October 8, 2013

The information contained in this email message is confidential and may be legally privileged and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not an intended recipient or if you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify us by return email or telephone if the sender's phone number is listed above, then promptly and permanently delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation and consideration." (10/8/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Aaron Shafovaloff writes:

I will not talk to either of them again without a third party. I wouldn't have taken her call if I had known it was her.

"At first Aaron stated he wasn't involved"

I told her that I supported Rob and that he put my name on the list with my permission. In fact, Rob, you have my full permission to publicly post these words of mine, "'The invitation for the Hulses to further the Matthew 18 process with church elders present is still open. Until then, I continue to support Rob Sivulka in his public warning against working with Helen and Rocky Hulse.' - Aaron Shafovaloff"

"I explained to Aaron it was important that all of us speak"

I told her that multiple parties needed to speak with trusted church elders on both ends.

Here are my notes from the July 9, 2013 phone call:

"Got a somewhat vague call from Helen about her receiving an IRS letter, and about how I would be involved because I'm on the board of CCU. I just redirected the conversation in encouraging her to invite Rocky to have a 3-on-3 (each side having another church elder present) conference call (or Skype) sometime to further the Matthew 18 process. Also told her that Rob put my name on the most recent CCU post with my permission. And that I wasn't interested in getting into more drama."

Rob, It is absolutely legal for you to post what they e-mail you, of course. Disclaimers don't magically override of free speech / fair-use law. She enjoys no attorney or doctor-patient confidentiality here. " (10/8/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Rob,

I'm done. It's apparent that you have an agenda. I did not go into the details of my call to Aaron and all we discussed because I thought you would most likely post my email. You didn't disappoint me!

Aaron, you are not an attorney. I could care less about your opinion concerning private emails. You and Bill McKeever already got into that bag of worms or have you forgotten?

You, Aaron are also a liar. I told you were moving and when things were settled we would like for ALL parties together in a conference call and hopefully talk things through and get them resolved.

I find what both of you just posted on CCU disgusting and unChristian and want nothing further to do with the two of you either, so we are on the same page there. Everything is going to come into the light and it is NOT going to be pretty. When ALL the people you've listened to are exposed, you'll hang your heads in shame and that includes exposing NCVC.

Helen Ann Hulse
===VVVV================Rob Sivulka and Aaron Shakovaloff=======
" (10/8/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Also got the following from Helen:

BTW- I have the minutes from the board meetings at NCVC dating back to 1988 and over 4000 emails from Wendy Jensen. Post this too!!!




The information contained in this email message is confidential and may be legally privileged and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not an intended recipient or if you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify us by return email or telephone if the sender's phone number is listed above, then promptly and permanently delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation and consideration." (10/8/13)
wendy says...
"I have the same 4000 emails in my files that Helen is referring to. I also have the voice messages she left on my phone in April saying how she "accidently" called my cell phone. Thank goodness I shared them with trusted friends to preserve them in multiple areas incase of computer crashes. " (10/8/13)
Einstein says...
"ROFL. How long is this going to go on for? At this point I guess I have advise for Helen. "Have your people call my people" or "Have your lawyer call my lawyer". Idol threats go about as far as a car with no wheels. " (10/8/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
""Rob, as he calls himself currently has a severe of cranial rectumitis"
http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/2013/10/courageous-christians-united-seriously.html" (10/8/13)
anita says...
"IMHO Helen is not getting it because she believe she is in the right.. Try to reason with a child who is afraid of getting a .shot. you have to be the adult and just give the injection. I honestly do not think she is capable of getting it.. the most effective way to deal with her is called extinction. When she is appropriate, speak with her. When she is not do not respond. Punishing her is ineffective. The bigger problem is to protect others coming out of Mormonism from her ability to turn them against the Christian groups that reach out to Mormons. You need to realize that Helen believes she is right and everyone else is wrong. That is not evil, it is delusional." (10/9/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Got a voice mail yesterday from our former board member and founder of our ministry saying that Helen has been "badgering" (his word) him with emails trying to get inside info on CCU. He just told her that he works exclusively with Islam and hasn't passed anything more onto her. She's obviously on a witch hunt!" (10/10/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"Posted on Helen's blog:

AnonymousOctober 10, 2013 at 1:43 PM
It angers and saddens me that Rob Sivulka, Art Hagland, Wendy Jensen, Princess-now there's a name for you- and others claiming to be Christians are demonstrating such evil, lying, vicious behavior! Their behavior is cowardly and they are intent on spreading vile slander rather than come to know and understand the truth! Helen and Rocky have posted evidence of their innocence of these unconscionable attacks! Art's evil is particularly contemptible! He shows a perverse and malevolent spirit! He would rather spew vomit all day than take the time to learn and respond to truth! Like a dog, he returns to his vomit several times daily and weekly. He has nothing better to do! He is a "low" person-the kind of person that Proverbs warns against! Rob is spineless! He lacks the integrity to investigate a matter for himself, and chooses to believe malicious gossip! His behavior in going on stage to talk with Jill Martin was childish and rude! He needed to wait until she was at a table with her book before he approached her! His behavior was an apparent attempt to draw attention to himself-which he did. However, juvenile, self-seeking behavior is the least of his problems. He can't be trusted with private information! He isn't a trustworthy person! Sadly, Christian is a label he wears, but he has limited understanding of the heart and genuine mindset of a Christian. In looking at the company he keeps, he has surrounded himself with people who are pathological, chronic liars! The truth isn't in any of them!

My reply, but I doubt they will publish it, they often do not publish certain comments that challenge them in detail, to tell the truth:

Thanks, Helen, er Anonymous, er Helen
Care to post your PROOF, again, because planet earth has yet to see any. BTW, WHY did you remove all of your other responses to me?
Oh, you list the reason above, so you can claim that I just come back again and again, etc...
It is funny how Jill Martin (maiden name) refuted your version of the events, and then you had to remove HER refutation, because you did not DARE step on HER toes or call HER a liar, you simply removbed the post, lol.
You alos only posted that you are NOW ale to accept tax free donations, but you NEVER, EVER came clean about your revocation, just call others liars. Well, like I posted, the correction, you WERE revoked and you were, again, allowed in July of 2012, making your LITTLE (and mostly insignificant) ministry ineligible for tax free donations for some 14 months. You have NEVER addressed this and doubtful you ever will. But through the great thing called the freedom of information act, I will soon have hard copies of ALL the legal IRS paperwork that you have EVER filed and I WILL post this publicly available information online for all to see!
so, for the VERY LAST TIME, Helen and Larry, I offer to you, one FINAL chance to come clean, stand up like Christians and REPENT and take what is rightly coming to you.
You blasted, defamed, lied to and about many children of God, seeking to defame them and turn other believers against them

Admit your failure to comply with 501c3, that you continued to claim you were during your time of ineligibliity, Purposely remove proofs against you, slur and slam people who expose you.

Here is a list of your very public sins:
1. You lie about people. In my case, calling me a pervert and a porn addict. I did (past tense) have this problem, but have fully repented of this, as you were told. Asking for prayer, because the devil wants me back and tempts me is not a sin.
2. You climed that 501c3 is government approval of your ministry as a proper and true thing
3. that you never were revoked" (10/16/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"4. that You neither knew who Rob was and that there was no other person involved in Larry's being a tiny bit late on starting his lecture
5. that you have lied about the things you have copyrighted, including having your names copyrighted. When proved to BE a liar on this, Helen, you shut down another Christian, called her profile false and fake and removed the proof that names cannot BE copyrighted.
6. You posted proof that you and Larry have one and OPNLY one copyright, that being Larry's book. This official government page that lists your legally protected work also proved that you maintain no other copyright on anything. As I told you previously (and I DID study Business Law, Helen, you have not) that once a thing is put in the public eye without a copyright stamp upon it, it becomes public domain, not protected under ANY copyright anywhere.
7. my last name is spelled Haglund, not Hagland." (10/10/13)
Peter says...
"All of this is very SAD. All of this is going to damage the work which is being done in helping those coming out of Mormonism. Watching what is happening makes me wonder what Helen thinks will happen. MMMO changed its name which concerned me when you call your group Mormon Outreach, just the name says a lot, sounds more like the Mormon Church is Outreaching. A lot of groups on the Internet are different in the names of there groups and you know at first site what the groups are, for example, Exmormons. All Mormon Outreach is doing is tricking people. Larry writes his newsletters, which you have to be in the Special Mormon Outreach Club to get a copy. I use to get copies but when I fell out with HH and LH, HH canceled me subscription to the newsletter, very Christian. I still myself ask the question what is a Christian, maybe one day I will find the answer. No matter if you are a 4 th - 6th generation Mormon or a 12th generation Mormon LH is living in the past, yes again I did wrong in the past and was not 100% truthful, but I won't go into that, there is little point, all that matters is the future. Questions and answers about which is the right direction. HH and LH drove me back to the LDS World for a while. I don't ask questions about Christianity I just read and hope to find what is the meaning of being a Christian. I don't ask for guidance from anyone or any group. There are good groups and bad groups on the Internet, each has it's FAULTS. The other thing I find strange is the people who make comments but will not let themselves be named, why is that. I know that making comments and people see my name that I open myself to comments and sometimes attacks but I have the strength and guts to put my NAME and not hide behind a screen. If you claim to help people HH and LH then come clean and admit that you and your group also have FAULTS, when that happens everyone can move on and the real work can begin at the moment all that is happening is that CCU have a round wheel that is turning and you have a square wheel that is going nowhere at all, when you square wheel becomes round the all the wheels can turn together and start working together all is happening at this moment is you at ATTACKING and CCU and Rob and others including myself are defending ourselves. I am not bothered who calls me a Liar or what ever else they want to call me or use my pictures of me to try and weaken me. All you have done this past week is make me build a wall around myself by CLOSING FACEBOOK, changing my PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS and putting a number of other Security Items in place. If your going to claim you are Christian then behave like a Christian and show Christian Love. Peter R Anderson Makinson aka Peter R Mako." (10/10/13)
Einstein says...
"O.K. Helen. I'm straight out calling your bluff. You've been claiming to have a lawyer for quite a while now. Prove it. Give his/her name or be proven a liar yet again. " (10/16/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"I think, cannot know, that the Hulses have made some changes to their blog that no longer allows me to post comments. I see my posts disappear and cannot review them, no matter if I sign in with my Google ID, or by name.

So, they are claiming that I have lied and did not post to their blog. Well I did, indeed. If their settings no longer allow me to post, then it is, once again Hulse schemes, that make it seem that others are liars, when the evil comes and continues to come from them. I declare Larry and Helen Hulse ANATHEMA, NOT within the body of Christ, for continual false accusations against the brethren, unrepentant flasehoods, lies and deception. they are of their father, the Devil and are partial fulfillment of the prophetic word that Satan is converted into an angel of light and HIS ministers, in the guise of ministers of righteousness. REAL Christians do not, CAN NOT continue in such offensive sin against other Christians and live in such a deceptive, haughty pride and these to evil doers continue to do!

Any person is free do disagree with my proclamation, but I will stans by it, until they openly repent, admit ALL their lies and deception or until I die, which ever comes first.

Me the Lord rebuke them." (10/12/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"since there is a technical thing happening that prevents me from posting or previewing on the Hulse's blog
AND
since they and their lock step evil minions are daily monitoring this blog, I might as well post here for all to see

Posted to me, now knowing the inability to answer them there:
they LIED about him. I spoke with you via Sky and you LIED to me to become an Admin on MMMO. You were removed the next day and sent a message from Rocky stating the reason why and there was nothing in that message which would have offended any sane person. We still have that message and have not talked with you since,

Well, IF they lied about me, you should post what lies and false pretenses (previously stated on their blog) they used in introducing us. IF I lied, please, with both permission and challenge to you, I state that you should post what LIE I told you.

Of course, you will do not such thing, because once again, these lies do not exist.

The whole of the story is that I was once, a long time ago, a person that was sinfully caught up in porn,now fully repented of. My being repented does not stop the devil from tempting me and attempting to get me to fall in that area. So I posted a prayer request for strength to resist temptation
AS ANY GOOD CHRISTIAN SHOULD DO
I was then booted from admin of MMMO, called a pervert, a porn addict, immoral and many vile things.

Guess what, I do not have the desire or intent of giving anyone a list of my past sins, but I am not ashamed to admit that my past is sinful, requiring me to have a savior, because I cannot save myself. and there is no way I will compound my past sins by a continuous sin of denial of what my old man was involved in. I have hated (murder in my heart) I even almost killed my father and stepfather for all the years of abuse I suffered. Because of my love of God, I did not do these things.
I have lusted, coveted, etc...
It is not a sin to be tempted, but Helen seems to think she can condemn Christians for following Christ and repenting.

They still will never post any proof of their revocation, preferring to call the IRS a group of liars, lol" (10/16/13)
Peter says...
"Helen and Larry aka Rocky Hulse have again written a blog on there site, this time including over 10 photos of a number of people including myself without permission and threatening legal action, also making out of this world comments about a number of people and groups. Peter" (10/15/13)
Einstein says...
"Well of course Peter. Didn't you know they can do what they want to people. Accuse them of doing whatever they want to make them appear in the right while getting mad when people stand up to them. It's called being a schoolyard bully. Most of us have graduated high school. " (10/15/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Neither I, nor my board, endorse the disrespectful speech exhibited in allowing others to comment here. Having said that, the comments still have a point. It's up to you to make up your own minds concerning the truthfulness of this whole matter." (10/15/13)
Rob Sivulka says...
"Upon the advice of my board and my pastor, I have attempted to clean up the disrespectful language of certain others who have commented here against the Hulses. Edits or whole deletions of comments may continue as our board and my pastor sees fit in order to set a more respectful tone while preserving the overall intent of the authors. May cooler heads prevail! " (10/16/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"Based upon the kind and loving rebuke from true believers, I need to post a repentance and apology for calling Helen a Schizo and for making light of Larry's military service.

i must remember to 'be angry and SIN not'
Doing as is done to me is not what Christ has called me to.
So, Helen shall rage and lie and sin, and I agree, either she is a believer that has serious and untreated mental issues, the fault then lies with Larry for allowing it to GO untreated
Or she is not, in any sense of the word, a believer in Christ
Again, if this is so, Larry bears fault for allowing her to participate, in ANY way in a ministry, supposedly dedicated to the Lord Jesus Christ.

These statements are inter-related, but not conditioned one upon another. I bear the weight of my sin and bring it to Christ, asking for forgiveness.


this will not stop me from righteously resisting Satan's plan as is happening through the agency of Helen and Larry Hulse." (10/17/13)
Arthur Haglund says...
"Now that no one is feeding the dilusions of the liars, they must go back in time to attempt to revive old things, things that are not actually happening and are forever locked into the past
"The Innocence of Muslims"
LOL this is the cycle of Helen, if she is not receiving actual attention, she dredges up old things and tries to rekindle things long gone, so then she can, once again cry , "I AM A VICTIM!"" (10/21/13)